Completed Dress and Textiles, Portraits: British 18th C, Scotland: Artists and Subjects 18 Did Scottish artist Katherine Read paint this portrait of Maria Gunning?

I doubt it. The original Katherine Read engraved by Finlayson is a pastel, which you can find at J.612.199 in the online Dictonary of pastellists http://www.pastellists.com

The scale of the portrait and the handling of the features and the dress, as well as the composition itself, do not fit comfortably with Katherine Read's work. And generally engravings of famous people followed the original painting fairly closely. I think we must look elsewhere for a fairly minor artist whom I fear will defy identification.

I agree with Jacob that the print is quite unlikely to have deviated so much from the original, and that this is by a minor hand. Needless to say, this picture is clearly not autograph Ramsay, so it should not be attributed to him.

I suspect Jacob is right, we may never get there, but certainly not with this image. If we can't get a better image from Maidstone, let's wrap this one up.

I have emailed our Art Detective Collections Manager contact to see if a better image, with details and possibly the frame might be something they could now provide if their stores are now accessible.

Please see attached additional images of the artwork from Maidstone Museum, Many thanks

Maidstone Museum & Bentlif Art Gallery,

Thank you for attaching two images of the portrait. Unless we could look more closely at the details than these allow, with images of a quality that mean they can't be attached here (which you could send to me via WeTransfer or similar), I think we should conclude this as Jacob and Bendor suggest by amending the artist record to unknown artist.

Other than the original PCF images which are used on this site, we do not have access to higher res professional photography services i'm afraid

Thank you for your quick reply. We can't make progress without a visit or better images, so shall we amend the record to 'unknown artist' with a note that it was previously attributed to Allan Ramsay?

My answer to Marion's question from almost a year ago is "Yes" to amending the record as she suggests. But I expect it is the collection's response that Marion is waiting for.

My own view is that "better" images or a site visit would not advance the discussion.

A further thought. Why is the woman identified as Maria Gunning? No evidence has been advanced to support the identification. She was sufficiently prominent in society to have been depicted by leading artists in a rather grander way.

So I'd describe this portyrait as unknown lady by unknown artist unless there is evidence to the contrary.

Maidstone provided extra images of this portrait on 28/05/2022. They seem to me to be quite good enough to reach a conclusion. Marion (30/05/2022) suggested concluding the discussion by amending the artist record to unknown artist. I support this.

I have taken the opportunity to review the contributions to this discussion, which asks the question “Did Scottish artist Katherine Read paint this portrait of Maria Gunning?”

The portrait is very small, about the size of an A4 sheet of paper folded in half. There is some discoloured varnish. The way that the paint sits on the surface of the canvas creats a slightly uneven effect. However, I think that the online image is good enough to come to some judgments.

THE ARTIST. Both Allan Ramsay and another Scottish artist, Katherine Read, have been mentioned. In my experience, having had occasion to research Ramsay for an exhibition and Read for an article, neither attribution is tenable, as early posts in this discussion suggest (05/03/2021, 31/05/2021). “Unknown artist”, as suggested by Marion Richards, with a note that the portrait was previously attributed to Allan Ramsay (30/05/2022) would be appropriate. “Unknown British artist” would be best.

THE SITTER. Previously I have asked the question as to why the woman has been identified as Maria Gunning (01/06/2023). She was sufficiently prominent in society to have been depicted by leading artists in a rather grander way. That is not to say that the portrait could not depict her. The cautious approach would be to describe her as “Unknown lady, called Maria Gunning”. Unless the collection wishes to retain “Maria Gunning”, with a note that the identification is uncertain.

On this basis, I would recommend closing this discussion.

I am very grateful to Jacob Simon for generously offering to step in temporarily as Group Leader for 'British Portraits, 18th C', to help close some of these discussions.

Thank you, Jacob. The collection has been contacted.

I suspect that the sitter was called Maria Gunning because of the mezzotint by Thomas Frye dated 1761 at the Art Gallery of New South Wales. Yes the nose is a different shape but the light eyes, the angle of her head and shoulders, her hairline, her décolletage, and the pearls and choker are similar to those in the small portrait at Maidstone.

https://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/collection/works/225.1978.3/

I like Marcie's comparison in the immediately preceding post. But I suspect that the similarities are coincidence. Had an artist been working from Frye's mezzotint I believe that s/he would have followed it more closely.