Completed Continental European after 1800, South West England: Artists and Subjects 11 Does this 'Lake Scene with Castle' actually depict the Rhine?

Please consider that this is a painting of Castle Sooneck between Trechtingshausen and Niederheimbach in the Middle Rhine Valley, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany.

http://www.123rf.com/photo_15116726_castle-sooneck-between-trechtingshausen-and-niederheimbach-in-the-middle-rhine-valley-rhineland-pala.html

However, the supporting rock configuration of Sooneck Castle is inconsistent with the painting. Scroll down to compare photos of the rock configuration at Rheinstein Castle vs. Sooneck Castle.

http://msdeniseh553.blogspot.com/2014/04/u-is-for-upper-middle-rhine-valley.html

Could we have a high-res image of this painting? The boat and the architecture of the building on the left might give some further clues.

Hi there, could you send me your email address and I will send a WeTransfer file of a high-res image? Mine is amy.barker@twmuseums.org.uk. Thanks.

Hello, i think the Lake scene is similar the District Lakers. The evidencie is this Picture:
http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/thelakes/html/lgaz/bk03vg09.htm

I realise there has been no activity on this page for some months. I agree the shape of the building and its setting are more consistent with Sooneck Castle. Does any one have anything further to add before I close the discussion?

Shipley Art Gallery kindly sent me a high-res image of this painting a while ago, and I have spent quite some time trying to find this castle, unfortunately without finding a ‘perfect’ match. In my opinion, the shape of the ruin resembles paintings of Metternich castle in Beilstein at the Moselle, but the rock formation looks more like Schonburg castle in Oberwesel at the Rhine.

The boat looks like the boats used for mail deliveries between the cities of Cologne and Koblenz (see jpg in the attachment).


Other paintings of Schonburg castle (in Oberwesel):
http://artuk.org/discover/artworks/landscape-with-lake-oberwesel-with-schonburg-castle-on-the-rhine-156001

http://artuk.org/discover/artworks/oberwesel-on-the-rhine-germany-68895/search/keyword:oberwesel

http://bestofpd.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/rhineitalygreece00wrig_orig_0319-oberwesel-adj.jpg

https://www.lempertz.com/de/kataloge/lot/945-1/63-karl-buchholz.html

Metternich castle (in Beilstein) :

http://artuk.org/discover/artworks/beilstein-on-the-moselle-209359/search/keyword:castle-rhine/page/1/view_as/grid

http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/turner-beilstein-and-burg-metternich-d20239

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cochem_an_der_Mosel_um_1861.jpg?uselang=de

http://img.aasd.com.au/39952945.jpg (by Henry C. Gritten, from:

http://www.artrecord.com/index.cfm/artist/5150-gritten-henry-c/medium/1-paintings/?page=4 )

Source of the jpg: http://www.rheinschifffahrtsgeschichte.de/

Thanks very much for spending time trying to solve the mystery Andrea. I will add your notes to the object record so the research is saved! We won't change the title though. I think that probably concludes this discussion admin?

Thank you all for your comments.

Frances, did you have anything to add?

Shipley Art Gallery, should we add a description to this painting?

e.g. 'The ruin resembles paintings of Metternich Castle in Beilstein at the Moselle, however the rock formation looks more like Schonburg Castle in Oberwesel at the Rhine.

The boats resemble boats used for mail deliveries between the cities of Cologne and Koblenz.'

Yes Jade that's fine thank you. I have nothing more to add.

Perfect - I have nothing to add.