Completed British 19th C, except portraits, Continental European after 1800 8 Is 'Marguerite Leaving the Cathedral' after Carl Probst (1854–1924), or could it be by Probst?

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This appears to be a copy or version of 'Leaving the Pew' by Carl Probst in the Cooper Gallery's collection: http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/leaving-the-pew-68916

Could this work be attributed to Carl Probst (1854–1924) or should it be considered a work after Probst?

I note also that the title for this painting is quite different from the version held by The Cooper Gallery.

The collection note:

'The painting appears in the Museum's 1906 catalogue and was presented prior to that date by an anonymous donor. The title appears on the frame and the frame seems to be the original 19th C frame.'

Edward Stone, Entry reviewed by Art UK

Completed, Outcome

Jade King,

This painting is now titled 'After Mass' and the work listed as being after Carl Probst (1854–1924).

These amends will appear on the Art UK website in due course. Thank you to all for participating in this discussion. To those viewing this discussion for the first time, please see below for all comments that led to this conclusion.

7 comments

This will be very hard to determine based on the images, since neither image is good enough to compare the quality. The Cooper Gallery, Barnsley, version is signed and dated 'C. Probst 1877' which suggests it is an original. The Sunderland version is larger (strange for a copy?) and no signature is visible. Could they provide a high res image?

Andrea Kollmann,

Probst exhibited the painting in 1877 in the Künstlerhaus in Vienna, where it was bought by a Munich Art Gallery on 28th October 1877.
http://www.wladimir-aichelburg.at/kuenstlerhaus/einlaufbuecher-der-kunstwerke/1877-2/

It is described in detail in a newspaper article (Die Presse, 21th October 1877, p. 1) and called “Nach der Messe” (“After mass”).
In 1880, it was reproduced in an educational book, where it is called “In der Kirche” (“In Church”). And then, in 1914, it was used to illustrate an article about Probst and a retrospective exhibition of his works in Vienna (there it is called “Nach der Messe”).
Both illustrations show Probst’s signature in the lower left corner (very faintly in the 1914 article), just like in the Cooper Gallery's painting. The cleaned up version of in the Sunderland Museum shows none. http://collectionssearchtwmuseums.org.uk/details.html?port=45000&id=ec47&row=6&step=0#3

I recommend that we accept that the Sunderland version is most probably a copy of Probst's original in the Cooper Gallery, and thus 'after' Probst. They might both be better retitled 'After Mass'.

Sorry, this should have been tagged as a 'Recmmendation'. I recommend that we accept that the Sunderland version is most probably a copy of Probst's original in the Cooper Gallery, and thus 'after' Probst. They might both be better retitled 'After Mass'.

Jade King,

The collection has been contacted about this recommendation.