Continental European before 1800 19 What more could be established about this Italian School painting?

Madonna and Child
Topic: Subject or sitter

The child Christ is modelled after ‘Madonna of the Lake (Madonna del Lago)’ by Marco d'Oggiono, located in Museum & Gallery at Bob Jones University https://bit.ly/3xL333S, also ‘Madonna with Child, young St. John the Baptist and St. Elisabeth" in the Ufizzi Gallery, Florence’ [attached]

Jacinto Regalado, separate submission: ‘This is Italian, first half of the 16th century. One possibility is Innocenzo da Imola, also known as Innocenzo Francucci (c. 1490-c. 1550), who painted mostly religious pictures in a Raphaelesque manner. The same window-at-upper-left device is seen in some paintings by him) https://bit.ly/3hICiHw and https://bit.ly/3i9hE2g

Gytis Oržikauskas, Entry reviewed by Art UK

19 comments

Jacinto Regalado,

It is also possible that d'Oggiono took the pose of the Christ Child from the painter of this picture.

Jacinto Regalado,

However, it is more likely that d'Oggiono was using Leonardo as model if he was indeed the latter's pupil.

Laura Schwendinger,

The style of the faces reminds me a little of Pontormo but not the landscape. Wrong time period as well.

Jacob Simon,

Is this a northern european work based on an Italian engraving or painting? The landscape at top left could be northern.

Jacinto Regalado,

Once again, input from an Italian expert would be most desirable.

Marcie Doran,

I’m not the Italian expert that you seek, Jacinto, but the three subjects in this painting look very similar to those in the following work by Polidoro da Lanciano (Polidoro de' Renzi) (Lanciano, 1510 circa - Venezia, 1565) at the Accademia Carrara. Note the similar hair, hairless temple, long forehead and pudgy arm of the child Christ. The young St. John the Baptist is nearly identical in both works.

“Sacra famiglia con san Giovannino”
“c 1550-1565”
https://www.lacarrara.it/catalogo/58ac00186/

Tamsyn Taylor,

This painting draws together elements from a number of different sources.

1. The Christ Child and the distant view draw on Leonardo's Virgin of the Rocks (National Gallery).
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Leonardo_da_Vinci_Virgin_of_the_Rocks_{LPARENTHESES} National_Gallery_London).jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Leonardo_da_vinci,_vergine_delle_rocce,_1491-92_poi_1506-08,_06.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:'The_Virgin_on_the_Rocks'_by_Leonardo_da_Vinci_{LPARENTHESES} 1491-1508),_at_the_National_Gallery_in_London.jpg

2. The figure of John appears to have been adapted from Raphael's Alba Madonna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Raphael_-_The_Alba_Madonna_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg

3. The face of the Madonna has a strange similarity to that of Gossaert's Danae
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jan_Gossaert_003.jpg

Concerning Innocenzo da Imola, the quality of the work attributed to that person is so varied that I find it impossible to consider they are by a single painter. An artist of that group is a strong possibility.

Tamsyn Taylor,

I agree with Marcie Doran's suggestion that it is the work of Polidoro da Lanciano. When I look at that artist's work, I am recognising that he has plagiarised paintings by numerous artists, in particular, Titian.
The upward gazing person to one side of the painting is typical of Polidoro's compositions.
He was a prolific painter but his work was definitely at its best when he was doing a successful rip-off.

Here is another example
https://www.wga.hu/support/viewer_m/z.html

Marcie Doran,

Can you redo the link please, Tamsyn?

Jacob Simon,

More probably Flemish (Martin's post 16/7)

Jacinto Regalado,

Mary's face could be Flemish, but the children look very Italian.

Marcie Doran,

Please take a look at this work by Polidoro da Lanciano from a recent Sotheby’s auction (Jan. 30, 2020 - lot 157). In my opinion, the same model was used for the Madonna in both works. I have attached a composite for ease of comparison.

“Holy Family with Saint John the Baptist in a Landscape”
oil on panel
23 by 29¾ in.; 58.4 by 75.6 cm.
https://tinyurl.com/3vw3wd4e

Jacinto Regalado,

I do not believe our picture is by Polidoro da Lanciano. It does not look especially Venetian and is probably by an older artist.

Jacob Simon,

To my eye Marcie's post (11/08/2021) confirms a northern origin, rather than Italian, for our painting. Ours is harder and less fluid than the Italian paintings posted.

Jacob Simon,

And the landscape top left has a northern, possibly Flemish, appearance.

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